Dunes City Citizen Involvement Minutes

CCI Meeting Minutes
June 09, 2009
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1. Call to Order by Planning Chairman David Bellemore

The Planning Commission Special Session / Committee for Citizen Involvement (CCI) was called to order by Planning Chairman David Bellemore at 6:03 PM.

2. Roll Call

Roll Call was taken by Planning Secretary Lisa Ekelund

Present: Mayor Eric Hauptman, Planning Chairman David Bellemore, Commissioner Marilyn Miller, Commissioner Ronald Shearer, Commissioner Ken Platt, City Recorder Amy Graham, and Planning Secretary Lisa Ekelund.

Absent:    Commissioner Eggert Madsen (excused), and Commissioner Dennis Smith (unexcused).

Citizens Present: Lee Riechel, Tracy Quandt, Fred Hilden, Norman Martin, April Dumas, David Dumas, John Stead, Darlene Beckman, Marv Beckman, Brandie Bell, Gerald J. Wasserburg, Debbie Pasternak, Ralph Farnsworth, Jamie    Mills, and Peter Howison.

3. Pledge of Allegiance

The Planning Chairman, commissioners, staff, and citizens present joined in the Pledge of Allegiance.

4. Mayor's Report

Mayor Eric Hauptman read his report which stated the following:

"This CCI/Planning Commission work session is being conducted for the sole purpose of developing a workable Stormwater Ordinance for Dunes City. This ordinance has been a work in progress. The document you all should have is the original ordinance that was written primarily by LCOG during the Moratorium period in 2006. When I was appointed Mayor there was pressure from LCOG and the former city attorney to pass this ordinance as written. I refused. I felt that the ordinance, as written, was confusing and unworkable. This meeting was called to rework the Stormwater Ordinance and produce a document that would be fair, understandable and enforceable. The City has announced this meeting in advance by utilizing the local newspaper, radio station, email and postings at both the city hall and the post office. We've called this CCI meeting because as Policy A1 of the Dunes City Comprehensive Plan and State Planning Goal 1, both state, the citizen's involvement program shall incorporate the following components:

1)   Citizen Involvement; to provide for widespread citizen involvement.

2)   Communication; to assure effective two-way communication with citizens.

3)   Citizen Influence; to provide the opportunity for citizens to be involved in all phases of the planning process.

4)   Technical Information; to assure that technical information is available in an understandable form.

5)   Feedback Mechanism; to assure that citizens will receive a response from policymakers.

6)   Financial Support; to insure funding for the citizen involvement program.

All interested parties, by their attendance at the meetings of the CCI shall become voting members of the CCI for that meeting. Per ORS 197.160 (2), the Committee for Citizen Involvement is limited to an advisory role to the commission. It has no express or implied authority over any local government or State agency."

5. Election of a CCI Chairman

Mayor Hauptman asked for a motion from the floor for a chairperson of this CCI meeting.

Norman Martin nominated Rob Quandt to be the chairperson.

David Bellemore nominated Eric Hauptman to be the chairperson.

Gerald J. Wasserburg questioned if it is proper for a city mayor to be charged as chair of the committee.

David Bellemore said the way the comprehensive plan provides, in the process, all citizens are equal. David said the comprehensive plan encourages all planning commission members and city council members along with all of the citizens. David said he thinks it's legal to nominate Eric Hauptman.

Norman Martin suggested that when people want to speak they should put up their hands.

David Bellemore agreed with Norman Martin and said if he (David) was the chairman of the CCI he would require putting up a hand to speak.

John Stead objected to secret ballots because the city needs transparency.

David Bellemore said the ballots take away the pressure and keeps the vote independent.

David Bellemore asked for a vote for electing Robert Quandt as the CCI Chairman and 19 citizens raised their hands in favor.

David Bellemore asked for a vote for electing Eric Hauptman as the CCI Chairman and 2 citizens raised their hands in favor.

Robert Quandt was elected by unanimous vote to be the CCI Chairman.

6. Public Comment

CCI Chairman Quandt said the topic of tonight's meeting is to gather citizens input. Chairman Quandt said a good starting point would be for people who are opposed to the ordinance to put in their input. Chairman Quandt said the amount of time for people to give input should be approximately 3-5 minutes and if someone wishes to speak beyond this timeframe, they should submit written comment.

Chairman Quandt asked for a consensus in which 3-5 minutes was enough time to satisfy the requirements and by a unanimous show of hands, it was agreed that 3-5 minutes was adequate time to speak.

Chairman Quandt said they need to identify the variables of the ordinance and the end result will be the recommendation to the decision makers.

Marilyn Miller suggested they use the most recent ordinance because it should trump the old one.

Norman Martin said no and Chairman Quandt agreed saying both ordinances have value.

Chairman Quandt said they don't need to come up with answers this evening but they do need to define the variables.

Gerald J. Wasserburg asked what Chairman Quandt felt they should address first.

Chairman Quandt said when someone speaks, they should give their opinion but if that person doesn't think there should be a Stormwater Ordinance then they should bring it up at that time.

Lee Riechel - 83541 Jensen Lane

Lee Riechel said in 99.130, page 16, item F, the stormwater management manual is defined as being the cities accepted procedures for stormwater treatment and it may be expanded from time to time at the cities discretion. Lee said he thinks this puts the cart before the horse and the city can't have a manual that isn't law. Lee said the manual must be part of the law in this thing and the only way that can happen is if it is an ordinance. Lee said this was not the intention and he would feel more comfortable if the stormwater manual was used strictly for guidance and information. Lee said the actual ordinance would specify the general requirements. Lee said people have come to him saying they don't understand the current stormwater ordinance and that it's incomprehensible.

Chairman Quandt asked if Lee Riechel thinks the ordinance should reference another manual, such as the Department of Environmental Quality (DEQ) manual.

Lee Riechel said it should reference DEQ as a source of information for the plan.

Tracy Quandt - 83537 Erhart Road

Tracy Quandt said she thinks the manual should be an externally managed, updated, approved, and regulated document. Tracy said dunes city doesn't have the time or expertise to keep up with the manual. Tracy said the ordinance should state clearly what they are trying to achieve and it should guide people on the requirements of what they are trying to achieve. Tracy said she thinks the basic need to manage the stormwater in an effective way is important but she doesn't feel that the detailed objectives of what they are trying to manage have been clearly outlined in the document.

Fred Hilden - 4776 Laurel Avenue

Fred Hilden said he is speaking as a citizen and not as an employee of Dunes City. Fred said he wants to go on record as supporting an ordinance for stormwater management. Fred said he believes at the same time the ordinance as it currently exists is seriously flawed, too complicated, and it needs to be simplified and organized in a manner that staff can interpret so staff can make good decisions from it to guide the dunes city citizens who seek advise from it. Fred said they need to modify threshold and put together a tier system. Fred said he is concerned with the budget and this need for a health and safety inspector.

Rob Quandt - 83573 Erhart Road

Rob Quandt said his opinions on the subject are fairly simple which are reflected in the road commission report. Rob said the variables that he sees need to be decided on are first and foremost the 500 sq. ft. threshold and the format of the ordinance in general as far as how understandable and workable it is. Rob said it needs to be clear and understandable so people know what they are required to do by using a tiered system. Rob said most of all is workability and getting a document that's understandable, fair and accomplishes what it should.

David Bellemore - 83548 Salal Street

David Bellemore said a stormwater ordinance is needed. David said both documents are unworkable as they sit and basically everyone who wants to do anything will need an engineer. David said the 500 sq. ft. is ridiculously small. David said he thinks they should have an engineered stormwater plan for preliminary and final plats. David said he doesn't know if lake properties should have a higher standard because stormwater is long term pollution to the lakes. David said Rob Quandt's mention of a tiered system may work. David said Lee Riechel mentioned having a professional design a system and accepting it but his (David's) problem with this is developers can hire any professional they want.

Norman Martin - 83750 Rio Drive

Norman Martin said he doesn't think they want a stormwater ordinance and he thinks a lot of people in town have got the same opinion and they're not the type of people who come along to these meetings to make a stormwater ordinance. Norman said the city has a stormwater ordinance on their books now and it is very simple and it's very clear, you are not allowed to do anything with the water on your land that goes onto the opposing property or into the lake. Norman said his understanding of what this meeting is here, it is called a CCI meeting and he thought it was a meeting to work out how the city is going to set up and follow all the rules for a CCI meeting, to come up with a stormwater ordinance. Norman said he thought the city was telling him that this meeting is for input and it's going to be and answer to what are the steps to make laws so that they have a lawful CCI meeting and go through all the steps as we're supposed to.

Chairman Quandt stopped Norman Martin saying he would like to give Norman the chance to help them procedurally. Chairman Quandt said if there is a part of the procedure that Norman feels they are not following, he (Chairman Quandt) is giving Norman the chance to direct them to the information that might help them perceive in a way that is more palatable. Chairman Quandt said this is an open format meeting so Norman can have a chance now to go ahead and actually tell them about the procedures that he (Norman) thinks they should be following.

Norman Martin said the procedure for this meeting is perfectly good because as they said, they are not writing an ordinance, all we're doing is getting input is that to see how we are going to proceed with an ordinance be cause he (Norman) thinks an ordinance, if it went to higher courts would say that this is land use so you'd be up against LUBA, you can't get around this by saying it is health and safety. Norman said this is his opinion and the city can have their own opinion about whether having to do all this moving of dirt is land use or not but he (Norman) knows what he thinks. Norman said he would like to help as much as he can and he's just putting in his opinion saying that he doesn't want this because the city already has a good one.   Norman said one of the variables the city really needs to take care of is takings. Norman said do you understand what takings are and what triggers takings suits against the city for making people do things to their property. Norman said professional writer is ok because the CCI people won't be able to comment on that. Norman said he is finished.

Chairman Quandt asked if Norman Martin had a comment on procedures.

Norman Martin said when they get to the stage of a CCI that is going to come up with the ordinance, the ordinance itself, not this meeting; the ordinance itself should follow what the law is. Norman said he would go into this now but there's law and all sorts of documents that DLCD and other people say how you have to do it and one of the big points about such a CCI meeting for making that sort of ordinance is that members of the council are not allowed to be on any of the committees, not make comments, they can sit in and listen if they wish but it has to be done by a CCI committee which they have to define and fill properly as the law says such as advertising and you have a CAC group which then listens to the people and then makes the recommendations from those and the CAC may only be 3 people or 4 people, however many as the council wants but the council has to advertise for those positions, explain what they are and then vote on those people to go into those positions.

David Bellemore said as he understands it, the concerned citizen's involvement process under state law is usually a standing committee but the structure can be very loose. David said any city can decide whatever they want to do. David said large cities tend to have a standing committee but in smaller cities, they may not come up with enough people so there is more flexibility. David said the state recognizes a small city may not attract enough people to fill committees. David said the CCI or the CAC only makes recommendations and it does not actually write the ordinance, the only body that can write or pass an ordinance is the city council.

Chairman Quandt said it is also his understanding that there are many ways to get citizens involved. Chairman Quandt said a lot of larger cities do have standing CAC committees but not all cities use that format and at least at this point, it's his understanding that there's a lot of freedom on how you put together these committees and when he (Chairman Quandt) asked a question, last week at a seminar he went to regarding CCI's and planning issues, this is back to one of those home rule issues where there's a lot of ways this can be done and there's a lot of different ways it can be done that is acceptable to the state. Chairman Quandt said they want to involve the community into the decision making process and how they do this is pretty much up to the local jurisdiction to figure out how that all works as long as they satisfy some of the basic requirements that they get people involved in the process.

Amy Graham reminded everyone that they can read the comprehensive plan which addresses CCI.

Chairman Quandt said when you look at state law for procedures; it mostly refers to the local ordinances.

April Dumas - 83586 Cold Springs Lane

When asked for her input, April Dumas passed.

David Dumas - 83586 Cold Springs Lane

When asked for his input, David Dumas passed.

John Stead - 83505 South Cove Way

When asked for his input, John Stead passed.

Darlene Beckman - 82150 Booth Island

Darlene Beckman said obviously it makes sense in switch from 500 sq ft to perhaps a % of the lot, if you are developing or changing the use of 5%, 10%, or 20%, as opposed to a size. Darlene gave an example of a structure on a 1 acre parcel and the same structure on a smaller parcel. Darlene said perhaps it should be size proportionate. Darlene said maybe it's a little higher or a little lower percentage if you want boxes for something waterfront or a tiny lot. Darlene said they could distinguish if a project is in specific areas such as on a roof or if it's disturbance on the ground. Darlene said they could distinguish if a project is a remodel or new impact. Darlene said minor partitions are already going to go through stormwater plan. Darlene said this also depends on how they develop it like if they have that 1 acre lot and they build a tiny cabin in the middle of it, do they have to go and do another stormwater, or if they build a great big one because they've already done one when it was initially developed. Darlene said also, they may build in a different area than the development expected them to build maybe leave it more as a one on one when they go to develop the lot instead of pigeon hole them to start with. Darlene said she understands in a new development, the water created by the improvement on the stormwater to the roads and such, yes the development needs to take care of, but the individual lot itself, perhaps the stormwater maintenance should go back to when they improve it because it depends on where and how big.

Chairman Quandt said maybe in that case if there was a stormwater management plan as a part of the initial development, maybe in that case it could just be a verification that the original stormwater management plan was being abided by the individual lots.

Darlene Beckman said those stormwater managements are just for the improvements made by the development and not the individual homes.

Marv Beckman - 82150 Booth Island

Marv Beckman said Woahink Lake is mostly within Dunes City as far as water quality and Dunes City only has about 6% of Siltcoos Lake. Marv said the rest of Siltcoos Lake is in two different counties so as far as water pollution, what's going to happen there with the remaining part of Siltcoos Lake that could affect greatly the 6%.

Chairman Quandt asked Marv Beckman what he thinks should be done in regards to his comment.

Marv Beckman said the city will need to get Douglas County and Lane County involved.

Mayor Hauptman asked if Marv Beckman means an intergovernmental agreement between Douglas County and Lane County and there was a general response throughout the room of a yes to the intergovernmental agreement.

Brandie Bell - 83615 Clear Lake Road

Brandie Bell said she is here to legally represent Alan Montgomery and Montgomery View Estates. Brandie said they do not want the stormwater ordinance. Brandie said they have protected their land and water ways for over 100 years. Brandie said they think this particular stormwater ordinance is very complicated. Brandie said they have a current DEQ manual which is state and federally mandated. Brandie said they have the resources and the funds to make sure that this management control is enforced. Brandie said she doesn't see how Dunes City is going to fund and enforce such an ordinance.

Chairman Quandt asked Brandie Bell if she likes the reference to the DEQ manual and Brandie said yes.

Peter Howison arrived at 6:50 PM.

Gerald J. Wasserburg - 84606 East Lake Drive

Gerald J. Wasserburg said he agrees with the road commission report that this document as submitted is an abomination and is very poorly written. Gerald said it is also a clear indication of how not to write and submit a document to council. Gerald said the basic problem is massive runoff from heavy storms. Gerald said he recommends the council appoints a small committee to sit down and prepares a coherent, rational document that is consistent and not a bundle of short circuits. Gerald said everyone needs a copy of the document in editable form so they can write on it. Gerald said the committee would then report to the council and submits something that has been looked over. Gerald said the council would then ask for a CCI meeting which reviews the document to work it over by the citizens at large and then the committee is charged with taking that and revising it with consideration of the input and submit it as a formal document to the council for consideration for possible legislation. Gerald said if the council considers it incoherent and unacceptable, they send it back to the committee and get the committee to work on it. Gerald said the document cannot be written in a form of a large number of people.

Tracy Quandt asked how many should be on the committee that Gerald J. Wasserburg suggested.

Gerald J. Wasserburg said it should consist of maybe 4 but no more than 5.

Norman Martin asked Gerald J. Wasserburg if he (Gerald) has ever heard of a CAC. Norman said he is all for doing what Gerald just said but that's what the CAC does.

Gerald J. Wasserburg said he doesn't care what the name is it should be a constituted committee. Gerald said they may even go to outside engineering experts for opinions, they will prepare something that's supposed to be by their word (not LCOGS's word) a coherent document.

Amy Graham said Peter Howison showed up late and asked if they should give him the option to sign up.

Several people said no in unison.

Amy Graham said she would have asked it for anyone who came in late.

Marilyn Miller - 83500 Kiechle Arm Road

When asked for her input, Marilyn Miller passed.

Ken Platt - 83493 Woodland Lane

When asked for his input, Ken Platt passed.

David Bellemore said they've done what Gerald J. Wasserburg described, but the problem is, it was done so long ago.

Gerald J. Wasserburg said he's written a lot of documents and going to LCOG and taking their document it and submitting that is not a document preparation of anything that he is used to in his professional life. Gerald said he doesn't care what LCOG put out, it would be the job of the committee that it is their report.

Ron Shearer - 83511 Jensen Lane

Ron Shearer said he always thought this was an incomprehensible solution to a yet to be identified problem on the one acre lots and that he just hasn't seen that much erosion. Ron said he especially has a problem with the 500 sq. ft. and pointed out this is the size of a garden.

Eric Hauptman said a garden is not an impervious surface.

Ron Shearer said it is disturbed land. Ron said the ordinance says you have to cover up any disturbed land within 48 hours depending on the time of year.

Jamie Mills arrived at 6: 55 PM.

Chairman Quandt asked Ron Shearer what he thinks the threshold should be in regards to the 500 sq. ft.

Ron Shearer said closeness to the lake should be considered but he doesn’t think it should depend on the size of the lot. Ron said he believes the real risk is from the big developers that are doing 10, 12, 50 acre parcels.

Debbie Pasternak - 5188 Hilltop Drive

Debbie Pasternak said she agrees with need for a stormwater ordinance. Debbie said she is concerned with the 500 sq. ft. and she is concerned with how this will be enforced but she doesn't have suggestions at this time.

Eric Hauptman - 5188 Hilltop Drive

Eric Hauptman said he doesn't like the stormwater ordinance. Eric said they are here to get input and so far they have heard good suggestions. Eric said they need to take these suggestions and put them in a workable format. Eric said he would like to see this develop into a viable, usable, and enforceable ordinance.

Ralph Farnsworth - 83837 Highway 101

When asked for his input, Ralph Farnsworth passed. Ralph then said there is a lot of work for dunes city to do. Ralph said 406 is the magic number with the State in terms of E. coli. Ralph said anything over 406 is a health hazard. Ralph said the city has had E. coli as high as 2400 and asked if anyone wants to fight the State about it. Ralph asked if the State has done anything about it. Ralph said they've had problems all along and nobody's paid any attention. Ralph said he thinks it time they did but he doesn’t know how to do it.

Ron Shearer said in there was a study done in Coos Bay (on the Umpqua) and the E. coli there consists of a lot of avian and bovine.

7. Discussion

Chairman Quandt said he would like to start to discuss some of the things people brought up and give people time to elaborate on some of their initial comments. Rob asked for comments on a tiered system for the ordinance and what would be the make up of these tiers.

Gerald J. Wasserburg asked Chairman Quandt to explain tiers.

Chairman Quandt said they need a graduated requirements system that would divide the needs of the smaller jobs from the bigger jobs.

Gerald J. Wasserburg said he doesn't understand some of the comments made about the 500 sq. ft. and suggested the look at his (Gerald's) and Robert Quandt's driveways. Gerald said they need to worry about peak flows and they need sensible guidance instead of a tiered system. Gerald also said the document should not look like an attack on developers.

David Bellemore said he is not sure being close to the lake is a problem and he thinks Gerald J. Wasserburg in saying the steeper the slope the faster the flow and the more difficult it is to handle. David said he would prefer the tier based on how steep the slope is and how large the area of the steepness of the slope.

Eric Hauptman said part of the problem is that the slope needs to be measured.

Brandie Bell said she doesn't understand what problem they are trying to solve that the DEQ manual doesn't already solve for us. Brandie said the State has the funds to enforce and enact their manual.

Chairman Quandt asked for any additional comments on that subject.

Peter Howison said he has comment and Chairman Quandt said he has 3 minutes to comment but he can't vote.

Peter Howison said the erosion control ordinance was passed and there is a grid that is separated by grade and amount of area being disrupted. Peter said that would tells you which degree of engineering you need.

Lee Riechel said partitions and subdivisions where you're dealing with installing a road need certain engineering. Lee said another thing is if someone is improving a lot because he has seen too many times if someone builds a house, all the down spouts go into the road ditch. Lee said the road policy needs a tier as well and they need a major master road plan change. Lee said they could use a brain storming session with the chalk board to discuss what things should be worked on.

Chairman Quandt said the master road plan is the most empty document they can point to. Chairman Quandt said they needs clear requirements. Chairman Quandt said he wants to see the stormwater ordinance point to the small jobs and to the big jobs.

Brandie Bell said an example is Kiechle Arm Road with a 12% grade and drainage runs into the lake. Brandie said the subdivision they are trying to get in is next door to this street. Brandie said they are required to change this and handle the erosion control matters and correct it according to DEQ. Brandie said DEQ gives a specific plan done by engineers.

Chairman Quandt said in the case of large subdivisions, the DEQ manual is the proper reference and Brandie Bell agreed.

Peter Howison asked how unrealistic is it to require all water on property to stay on property and asked if they can some how require that water doesn't swell off of site.

Chairman Quandt said stormwater ordinance is different from erosion control. Chairman Quandt said yes they would like to create systems that handle stormwater but it's not possible to keep all water on site. Chairman Quandt said the only choice is how they slow it down.

Chairman Quandt said he thinks referring to DEQ manual is the way to go and understands Brandie Bell's point with subdivisions but they need to come up with something that covers everyone from small to large. Chairman Quandt said the DEQ manual will serve purpose.

Gerald J. Wasserburg said the small guy and the big guy both need to follow sound engineering practices from high rainfalls. Gerald said this is not a question of whether you are a little guy or a big guy, but the point is to protect the environment and establish something that is rational and reasonable.

Darlene Beckman said a tier system would make it easier to consider what properties they can exclude. Darlene said this could include such things as flat properties, how they handle a remodel, or if they can put on a new roof on. Darlene said new construction could have a tier because of many more impacts. Darlene said subdivisions can be excluded because it's done with the DEQ manual. Darlene said maybe it could say they need to come in with their plan through DEQ.

Mayor Hauptman suggested everyone give Lisa Ekelund their email addresses so Lisa can give copies of the minutes to everyone.

Lee said he assumes the DEQ manual will be online and suggested Lisa Ekelund include the URL.

Norman Martin said he would like to suggest that the staff contact the city attorney to get his comments on whether or not the stormwater ordinance would be considered by LUBA as a land use topic.

Rob Quandt said they are assuming it is and asked Mr. Martin for any information Norman Martin has that may be pertinent.

Norman Martin said anybody wants to take it to the next level legally would go to LUBA. Norman said if they say it's for health and welfare it's different than land use. Norman said if they accept it as land use than good but can't say health and welfare.

Rob Quandt said they are going under the assumption that it is land use.

Gerald J. Wasserburg said the issue Norman Martin raises is not clear to him in particular to the draft ordinance as written.

Rob Quandt said basically they are treating the document that they already have as sources of information to be pulled from and nothing more nothing less. Rob said the opportunity to fix these things such as directional flaw, they can fix it.

Gerald J. Wasserburg said when the council appoints somebody to the job, that thing should be stated explicitly and coherently, it should not be the invention of the committee.

John Stead said they are somehow concerned with changes in historical flows and what they are really trying to find out is if you have an improvement, if you are proposing an improvement, what will those improvement do in terms of stormwater. John said perhaps if they look at things in terms of functions instead of looking at what the problem might be. John said the question is, where is the runoff going and how much is there going to be. John said perhaps they should look at things in terms of functions and what are they trying to do how do they control stormwater and do they need to control stormwater.

Norman Martin said one solution from a roof would be that maybe a certain length of drain field has to be put down for a certain area of roof. Norman said we've got that for our septic systems. Norman said this is a practical specific objective to put in the ordinance. Norman said most of the ordinances in Dunes City are unclear and are subjective, not objective.

Rob Quandt asked for any more comments.

Brandie Bell said one problem she sees is there are no BMP's attached to the ordinance.

Rob Quandt said they could refer to the DEQ manual.

Brandie Bell said this may be a problem because they are double stating things. Brandie said for example, regarding the tiers, if you do it by percentage of impervious area, but if you are in these tiers, you do this instead of DEQ.

Gerald J. Wasserburg said they need to know what storm level this is charged with.

Rob Quandt said again, this is one of the variables that they need to find an answer for. Rob said some would suggest a 100 year storm.

Norman Martin said some would suggest a 25 year storm.

Rob Quandt asked for Gerald J. Wasserburg's opinion.

Gerald J. Wasserburg said he has no opinion then said a50 year peak is the strongest they could ask for anything as anything larger than that is not sensible.

Eric Hauptman made a motion to adjourn.

Lee Riechel said they should set a schedule for the next meeting.

Rob Quandt said the next meeting will be scheduled for July 16th at 6:00 PM.

Rob Quandt turned the meeting back the Planning Commission Chairman David Bellemore.

8. Adjournment

There being no further business to come before the Planning Commission and the Committee for Citizen Involvement,

Eric Hauptman made the motion to adjourn the meeting and Ken Platt seconded. The motion passed by unanimous vote.

The meeting of the Dunes City Budget Committee adjourned at 7:49 PM.

The proceedings of the Dunes City Planning Commission / Committee for Citizen Involvement meeting were recorded on tape, and are filed in the City Recorder's office. The complete minutes of this meeting is filed in the City Recorder's office. Upon approval by the Committee for Citizen Involvement, these minutes will be available online at http://dunescity.com/minutes.htm

Respectfully prepared by,

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Lisa Ekelund

Planning Secretary

Approved by the Committee for Citizen Involvement on the _____ day of _____, 2009,

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Robert Quandt

CCI Chairman